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		<title>by: James</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=129#comment-22928</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:14:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Happy Birthday Dave!</description>
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		<title>by: Dowboy</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=114#comment-22919</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:54:37 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry to be catching up so late on, but I thought it was worth a tuppence - even if the thought is confused. As some of you may know, a former congregation of the Church of Scotland in Uddingston has recently seceeded and joined the United Free Church. I happened to be in company with a senior elder of that congregation recently and asked him why they had not considered joining the Free Church. His answer came back to the question of worship. That is what he said, and I suppose I should go on just that, but is there not a sub-concious suspicion within C of S circles of the Free Church - a sort of dismissive &quot;that's the Highland Church&quot;? What I'm saying is kind-of confused. I only have the man's word to go on, but I am not fully convinced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sorry to be catching up so late on, but I thought it was worth a tuppence - even if the thought is confused. As some of you may know, a former congregation of the Church of Scotland in Uddingston has recently seceeded and joined the United Free Church. I happened to be in company with a senior elder of that congregation recently and asked him why they had not considered joining the Free Church. His answer came back to the question of worship. That is what he said, and I suppose I should go on just that, but is there not a sub-concious suspicion within C of S circles of the Free Church - a sort of dismissive &#8220;that&#8217;s the Highland Church&#8221;? What I&#8217;m saying is kind-of confused. I only have the man&#8217;s word to go on, but I am not fully convinced.
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		<title>by: Joseph Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=115#comment-22878</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 10:29:22 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>This is a good post, there is a great video of Dawkins being stumped on a question given by a creationist...also on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g&amp;amp;mode=related&amp;amp;search=</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This is a good post, there is a great video of Dawkins being stumped on a question given by a creationist&#8230;also on youtube <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g&amp;mode=related&amp;search=' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi3605g&amp;mode=related&amp;search=</a>
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		<title>by: Joseph Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=128#comment-22877</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Aug 2007 09:54:35 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, the link doesn't seem to work...Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave, the link doesn&#8217;t seem to work&#8230;Joe
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		<title>by: Jedward</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=114#comment-22802</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:30:27 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>How is it that certain views have changed about Psalmody when the Bible has not moved from it's position on the matter? When the start of the reformation was taking place. Did it occupy the mind of Luther to think of ways (that which are not written of in the Bible) in order to gather more followers? Would he have reinstated certain beliefs from the Roman Catholic Church in order to unify the Church? Jedward</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>How is it that certain views have changed about Psalmody when the Bible has not moved from it&#8217;s position on the matter? When the start of the reformation was taking place. Did it occupy the mind of Luther to think of ways (that which are not written of in the Bible) in order to gather more followers? Would he have reinstated certain beliefs from the Roman Catholic Church in order to unify the Church? Jedward
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		<title>by: Dave Shedden</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=126#comment-21293</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:05:09 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, interesting thoughts mate.  Three days as an assistant minister in Partick and I'm already having to re-think my vision of what is possible.  The distinction/division between church planting and pastoring established churches appears to me starker than ever. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave, interesting thoughts mate.  Three days as an assistant minister in Partick and I&#8217;m already having to re-think my vision of what is possible.  The distinction/division between church planting and pastoring established churches appears to me starker than ever.
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=126#comment-21177</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:57:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for this Harris. It was good to see you again the other week.  

Before I reply, I should begin by again affirming that I am not for a moment accusing the PCRT of all these faults, much less the speakers at it. it's just that there was a sense of some of this there that has made me reflect more on the way we tend to do conferences and why we do them in the first place. its too easy to use a blog to havea go and offer a criticism from the sidelines. That's not what I am trying to do. 

However, I think you are right, scale is not the important thing. What matters is a simplicity that reflects the centrality of the cross and allows the gospel to come to the fore, not just in the themes we address and the manner in which they are addressed, but in the whole atmosphere and style of the music, the singing, the venue, the language of the speakers the agenda of the conferences, the avoidance of the cult of celebrity etc. 

It is too easy to want to be impressive. I struggled with the PCRT (compared, say, to Twin Lakes- which was excellent on this point) because, while the preaching certainly was cruciform in content, the conference itself didnt feel that way to me. My problem is that the cynic in me wonders how many folks today would be attracted to an event that reflected the cross in its style as well as its message. Such an event wouldnt seek to wow us with grandiose music. It wouldnt seek to pack em in by getting the hottest stars in our reformed firmament, merely because they are 'names'.  It would focus on the sung praise of the people of God, the clear exposition of the Word of God, and keep all urges to ostentation and grandiloquence thoroughly supressed.

But how very dull! The cross remains an offence and a stumbling block and we are constantly driven to help cross shaped church life along with a few finishing touches of our own. As reformed folks, we're great at bashing seeker sensitive churches for overlooking the expository preaching of texts of scripture in favour of pyrotechnics and gimickry. We're proud that we focus on the preaching of the word and the ordinary means. But we reformed can, I fear, fall into the very same trap even while rightly  focussing on preaching and the ordinary means by insisting on packaging them in a certain way- with an impressive, wow-factor presentation, all be it with a classical rather than a CCM flavour. When we 'glam up' our ordinary means ministry we fall foul of the same criticism we level at the seeker sensitive guy. I am pleading for a return to cross shaped ministry as well as cross centred preaching. The Puritans talked about the 'plain style'. That is what I think we need to recover, and what the cult of celebrity is in danger of obscuring.

it doesnt mean we should put up with artistic mediocrity or aesthetic claptrap. We should pursue excellence. But excellence needs restrains. Our praise and our language and the ethos we develop all must serve and reflect the cross. We want people to be in awe of God for the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ, not the choir, the organ or, dare I say it, the band, not the Latin I know or the jokes I crack. My communication skills must be subservient to the message I communicate. I dont want reformed groupies looking for my autograph on the dust jacket of my latest book. I don't want to be a name that pulls em in at a conference. I want Christ and him crucified to pack em in and send em out.  

And, just to demonstrate the prevalence of the very demons I seek to exorcise, as I write this I am moved to say, if only that last were more true of me! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks for this Harris. It was good to see you again the other week.  </p>
	<p>Before I reply, I should begin by again affirming that I am not for a moment accusing the PCRT of all these faults, much less the speakers at it. it&#8217;s just that there was a sense of some of this there that has made me reflect more on the way we tend to do conferences and why we do them in the first place. its too easy to use a blog to havea go and offer a criticism from the sidelines. That&#8217;s not what I am trying to do. </p>
	<p>However, I think you are right, scale is not the important thing. What matters is a simplicity that reflects the centrality of the cross and allows the gospel to come to the fore, not just in the themes we address and the manner in which they are addressed, but in the whole atmosphere and style of the music, the singing, the venue, the language of the speakers the agenda of the conferences, the avoidance of the cult of celebrity etc. </p>
	<p>It is too easy to want to be impressive. I struggled with the PCRT (compared, say, to Twin Lakes- which was excellent on this point) because, while the preaching certainly was cruciform in content, the conference itself didnt feel that way to me. My problem is that the cynic in me wonders how many folks today would be attracted to an event that reflected the cross in its style as well as its message. Such an event wouldnt seek to wow us with grandiose music. It wouldnt seek to pack em in by getting the hottest stars in our reformed firmament, merely because they are &#8216;names&#8217;.  It would focus on the sung praise of the people of God, the clear exposition of the Word of God, and keep all urges to ostentation and grandiloquence thoroughly supressed.</p>
	<p>But how very dull! The cross remains an offence and a stumbling block and we are constantly driven to help cross shaped church life along with a few finishing touches of our own. As reformed folks, we&#8217;re great at bashing seeker sensitive churches for overlooking the expository preaching of texts of scripture in favour of pyrotechnics and gimickry. We&#8217;re proud that we focus on the preaching of the word and the ordinary means. But we reformed can, I fear, fall into the very same trap even while rightly  focussing on preaching and the ordinary means by insisting on packaging them in a certain way- with an impressive, wow-factor presentation, all be it with a classical rather than a CCM flavour. When we &#8216;glam up&#8217; our ordinary means ministry we fall foul of the same criticism we level at the seeker sensitive guy. I am pleading for a return to cross shaped ministry as well as cross centred preaching. The Puritans talked about the &#8216;plain style&#8217;. That is what I think we need to recover, and what the cult of celebrity is in danger of obscuring.</p>
	<p>it doesnt mean we should put up with artistic mediocrity or aesthetic claptrap. We should pursue excellence. But excellence needs restrains. Our praise and our language and the ethos we develop all must serve and reflect the cross. We want people to be in awe of God for the sake of the gospel of Jesus Christ, not the choir, the organ or, dare I say it, the band, not the Latin I know or the jokes I crack. My communication skills must be subservient to the message I communicate. I dont want reformed groupies looking for my autograph on the dust jacket of my latest book. I don&#8217;t want to be a name that pulls em in at a conference. I want Christ and him crucified to pack em in and send em out.  </p>
	<p>And, just to demonstrate the prevalence of the very demons I seek to exorcise, as I write this I am moved to say, if only that last were more true of me!
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		<title>by: Harris Bond</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=126#comment-21142</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:42:55 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>DAvid, I always appreciate such reflections &quot;from the outside&quot; of American culture, yet this is another lovely opportunity to ask before the Lord, What kind of community ought the Church to be in the world?  
Your post regarding American Christianity and reformed particularly does indeed hit upon the &quot;American version&quot; of Western folk - in all our self-consuming individualism and our desire to look to others for conformity (I think DAvid Wells is right on here), we are a culture of sub-cultures.  American Christianity has its own niche here and reformed world definitely has its own - whether it likes it or not.  
So whether you go to Star Trek conventions or PCRT conferences, or even to respond to someone's blog! - to funcion like this we will usually be self-ingratiating and congradulating.  Therefore, in a perhaps distinctively American way, if you want to attract more folks into your movement, you go big, you put together a medium of life - just as you described.  
So what is the right way for us to address this?  Perhaps the &quot;bigness&quot; is not bad in itself.  Simply put, good &quot;bigness&quot; is good, and bad &quot;bigness&quot; is bad.  Perhaps a reformed American Christian as myself and others ought to &quot;go big&quot; with regard to the marks of the Cross you mentioned - repentance, mortification of the flesh in dependence upon the Holy Spirit - a turning from idols to serve the living God in Christ as he is freely offered to us in the gopsel.  
The Church of Christ is not merely another sub-culture seeking its own perpetuation in its own power and might.  It is its own culture adn community, yet what marks it out in the world is a freeing forsaking of Self and the winsomely embracing of Christ.  I must ask myself, what are all the ways and means right now that I use to promote myself - particularly to promote myself as a CHristian and even a minister of Christ - not coming to be served by &quot;being Reformed&quot; but to &quot;be reformed&quot; by serving.  I think Jesus says this to us when He says, Those who want to be first in the kingdom of God must become like children, must become the least of one of these.&quot;  [feel free to read this simply as a email response rather than a blog response, enjoyed talking with you in london last week]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>DAvid, I always appreciate such reflections &#8220;from the outside&#8221; of American culture, yet this is another lovely opportunity to ask before the Lord, What kind of community ought the Church to be in the world?<br />
Your post regarding American Christianity and reformed particularly does indeed hit upon the &#8220;American version&#8221; of Western folk - in all our self-consuming individualism and our desire to look to others for conformity (I think DAvid Wells is right on here), we are a culture of sub-cultures.  American Christianity has its own niche here and reformed world definitely has its own - whether it likes it or not.<br />
So whether you go to Star Trek conventions or PCRT conferences, or even to respond to someone&#8217;s blog! - to funcion like this we will usually be self-ingratiating and congradulating.  Therefore, in a perhaps distinctively American way, if you want to attract more folks into your movement, you go big, you put together a medium of life - just as you described.<br />
So what is the right way for us to address this?  Perhaps the &#8220;bigness&#8221; is not bad in itself.  Simply put, good &#8220;bigness&#8221; is good, and bad &#8220;bigness&#8221; is bad.  Perhaps a reformed American Christian as myself and others ought to &#8220;go big&#8221; with regard to the marks of the Cross you mentioned - repentance, mortification of the flesh in dependence upon the Holy Spirit - a turning from idols to serve the living God in Christ as he is freely offered to us in the gopsel.<br />
The Church of Christ is not merely another sub-culture seeking its own perpetuation in its own power and might.  It is its own culture adn community, yet what marks it out in the world is a freeing forsaking of Self and the winsomely embracing of Christ.  I must ask myself, what are all the ways and means right now that I use to promote myself - particularly to promote myself as a CHristian and even a minister of Christ - not coming to be served by &#8220;being Reformed&#8221; but to &#8220;be reformed&#8221; by serving.  I think Jesus says this to us when He says, Those who want to be first in the kingdom of God must become like children, must become the least of one of these.&#8221;  [feel free to read this simply as a email response rather than a blog response, enjoyed talking with you in london last week]
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		<title>by: David</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=126#comment-20916</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:55:15 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>No! Get back here and explain yourself!</description>
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		<title>by: Jonathan</title>
		<link>http://www.lifetowardsgod.co.uk/?p=126#comment-20878</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 05:33:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Can I just say &quot;I feel ya&quot; with no further comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Can I just say &#8220;I feel ya&#8221; with no further comment?
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